Comments on: Let The “Global Cooling” Begin! http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/ News, Muse and Reviews Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:18:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Thai http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-160 Thai Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:52:11 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-160 Very will put Jimbo. AMEN !! Very will put Jimbo.

AMEN !!

]]> By: Jimbo http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Jimbo Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:12:51 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-158 Well put, Thai. Let's really put this into perspective though. What is CO2? Fuel for plants, right? If CO2 were gaining in the atmosphere at the rate we are told, we would have weeds the size of telephone poles and tomatoes the size of basketballs. Global Warming is nothing more than media sensationalism of atmospheric modeling "what if" games being executed on super computers. These scientists, in an effort to explain why they are unable to control everything within their reach (an egotistically generated problem), take a one square model of the earths surface and add atmospheric/environmental changes to see what will happen to the earths climate. They could use the super computer to accurately predict what will happen to the earth with a 9x% accuracy. However, to accurately predict what will happen tomorrow, the computer would need 20 years to process the information. The problem with what we are left with is that a one square mile model leaves much out of the equation, like El Nino, and La Nina. For instance; 1) Microwave Effect - This happens when clouds build up and build up and trap the suns radiation between the clouds and the earths surface thus heating the area beneath it. What the modeling fails to take into consideration is that once those clouds build up to the Cirrus layer, ice crystals are formed in the Cirrus clouds and REFLECT the suns radiation away from the earth thus cooling the same area beneath it. 2) Polar Ice Caps Melting due to CO2 emissions - Increase in CO2 for many reasons is causing the average temperature to rise which is melting the polar ice caps and causing our oceans to rise and the shores to change? This one takes a lot more explanation for me; - 80% of the world's CO2 is recycled into O2 by the Ocean. So as the oceans become larger they would process more CO2, thus cooling the earths surface and returning the polar ice caps to their size and shape - The oceans and land masses have been changing for many thousands upon thousands of years. Or have these scientists forgotten the work of their brethren who detailed that the world once was made up of a single land mass and one great Ocean? - We have much less volcanic action for many reasons than we had just a few hundred years ago. Our CO2 emissions have not and will not equal the CO2 emissions of the volcanoes the world faced just a short time ago, so should not the earth be cooler? - There is 15% more trees, believe it or not, in the US than there were in the 1960's which is helping to process the CO2 back into Oxygen 3) Hole in the Ozone Layer - Really folks think about it, has anyone ever successfully been able to put a hole in gas not due to Nuclear Explosion? 4) Using Polar Ice Cap core samples scientists have been able to tell that the present average temperature this past century is 1/2 degree higher than it was a thousand years ago. The median fluctuations in temperature are normal and will change like a Sine Wave if you chart them. Take for instance that in the 1970's scientists warned of the next Ice Age now we are being burned alive. What we have here is a group of scientists and politicians who have successfully convinced enough people to be scared of something that we have no affect or control over. They tell enough facts to get people's heads moving up and down, and then start with supposition and conjecture based on the what-if games they play on the computers. Noone gets famous or sells newspapers by providing both sides of an argument and letting us poor regular people to make our own decisions. So what they do is take the side that is controversial and convince people that they need to be afraid of it, and tell them who is to blame for it. Then they try to come up with a plan on how to fix it so that they can make themselves famous, have people look to them for guidance, and possibly even earn the Nobel Peace Prize. The fact of this whole global warming issue is that the earth is changing and we need to learn to evolve with it. Anyone who thinks we can stop the earth from evolving is egotistical, has an extremely high opinion of themselves and our abilities as humans, and is completely mistaken. Take any fact touted by the Global Warming "Sky is Falling" extremists and there is another fact that counteracts that in nature and brings equilibrium. Get rid of pollution, sure! Think we can stop the earth, give me a break! Well put, Thai.
Let’s really put this into perspective though. What is CO2? Fuel for plants, right? If CO2 were gaining in the atmosphere at the rate we are told, we would have weeds the size of telephone poles and tomatoes the size of basketballs.
Global Warming is nothing more than media sensationalism of atmospheric modeling “what if” games being executed on super computers. These scientists, in an effort to explain why they are unable to control everything within their reach (an egotistically generated problem), take a one square model of the earths surface and add atmospheric/environmental changes to see what will happen to the earths climate. They could use the super computer to accurately predict what will happen to the earth with a 9x% accuracy. However, to accurately predict what will happen tomorrow, the computer would need 20 years to process the information. The problem with what we are left with is that a one square mile model leaves much out of the equation, like El Nino, and La Nina.
For instance;
1) Microwave Effect – This happens when clouds build up and build up and trap the suns radiation between the clouds and the earths surface thus heating the area beneath it.
What the modeling fails to take into consideration is that once those clouds build up to the Cirrus layer, ice crystals are formed in the Cirrus clouds and REFLECT the suns radiation away from the earth thus cooling the same area beneath it.
2) Polar Ice Caps Melting due to CO2 emissions – Increase in CO2 for many reasons is causing the average temperature to rise which is melting the polar ice caps and causing our oceans to rise and the shores to change?
This one takes a lot more explanation for me;
- 80% of the world’s CO2 is recycled into O2 by the Ocean. So as the oceans become larger they would process more CO2, thus cooling the earths surface and returning the polar ice caps to their size and shape
- The oceans and land masses have been changing for many thousands upon thousands of years. Or have these scientists forgotten the work of their brethren who detailed that the world once was made up of a single land mass and one great Ocean?
- We have much less volcanic action for many reasons than we had just a few hundred years ago. Our CO2 emissions have not and will not equal the CO2 emissions of the volcanoes the world faced just a short time ago, so should not the earth be cooler?
- There is 15% more trees, believe it or not, in the US than there were in the 1960’s which is helping to process the CO2 back into Oxygen
3) Hole in the Ozone Layer – Really folks think about it, has anyone ever successfully been able to put a hole in gas not due to Nuclear Explosion?
4) Using Polar Ice Cap core samples scientists have been able to tell that the present average temperature this past century is 1/2 degree higher than it was a thousand years ago. The median fluctuations in temperature are normal and will change like a Sine Wave if you chart them. Take for instance that in the 1970’s scientists warned of the next Ice Age now we are being burned alive.

What we have here is a group of scientists and politicians who have successfully convinced enough people to be scared of something that we have no affect or control over. They tell enough facts to get people’s heads moving up and down, and then start with supposition and conjecture based on the what-if games they play on the computers.
Noone gets famous or sells newspapers by providing both sides of an argument and letting us poor regular people to make our own decisions. So what they do is take the side that is controversial and convince people that they need to be afraid of it, and tell them who is to blame for it. Then they try to come up with a plan on how to fix it so that they can make themselves famous, have people look to them for guidance, and possibly even earn the Nobel Peace Prize.
The fact of this whole global warming issue is that the earth is changing and we need to learn to evolve with it. Anyone who thinks we can stop the earth from evolving is egotistical, has an extremely high opinion of themselves and our abilities as humans, and is completely mistaken. Take any fact touted by the Global Warming “Sky is Falling” extremists and there is another fact that counteracts that in nature and brings equilibrium.
Get rid of pollution, sure! Think we can stop the earth, give me a break!

]]> By: John A. Jauregui http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-90 John A. Jauregui Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:40 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-90 To put the whole Climate Change issue into perspective vis-a-vis the Peak Oil Crisis, everyone needs to ask themselves, their associates, all sitting elected officials and those seeking office, especially the office of President of the United States, "What is more threatening in both the long and short terms, a beneficial 1 degree F rise in average world temperatures over the past 100 years, or a 1 percent decline in world oil production over the last 100 weeks - with steepening declines forecast? Furthermore, can our economy better deal with declining fuel inventories in an environment of persistent warming, or in an environment of declining average temperatures over the next several decades, the most likely scenario given the highly reliable solar inertial motion (SIM) model forecasts of climate change?” Solar cycle # 24 will tell the tale. The problem is not AGW. The problem is the end of cyclical warming coincident with the onset of Peak Oil. To put the whole Climate Change issue into perspective vis-a-vis the Peak Oil Crisis, everyone needs to ask themselves, their associates, all sitting elected officials and those seeking office, especially the office of President of the United States, “What is more threatening in both the long and short terms, a beneficial 1 degree F rise in average world temperatures over the past 100 years, or a 1 percent decline in world oil production over the last 100 weeks – with steepening declines forecast? Furthermore, can our economy better deal with declining fuel inventories in an environment of persistent warming, or in an environment of declining average temperatures over the next several decades, the most likely scenario given the highly reliable solar inertial motion (SIM) model forecasts of climate change?” Solar cycle # 24 will tell the tale. The problem is not AGW. The problem is the end of cyclical warming coincident with the onset of Peak Oil.

]]> By: Thai http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Thai Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:36:46 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-23 ToxicDave - Thanks! I think we can all agree that there is much we don't know. And the more we do know, the more we realize that we don't know. ToxicDave – Thanks! I think we can all agree that there is much we don’t know. And the more we do know, the more we realize that we don’t know.

]]> By: ToxicDave http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-21 ToxicDave Sat, 08 Mar 2008 03:30:38 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-21 Thai - Good stuff. Of course, I'm a habitual fence rider when it comes to global warming. I have the luxury of remembering a time when we were being warned not of global warming but the impending ice age we'd be facing in a few years. Seems the fear mongering never ends, they just change the theme now and again to keep it exciting. I'm still of the mindset that we're entirely too primitive to predict much, especially when the system is a complicated as planetary climate. I've yet to see a weather report more than a week in advance that was even remotely accurate. So the criticism goes both ways... I don't have faith in either side if the claims made are stated with authority. Unless they authoritatively state it's a complete guessing game for everybody. Excellent post, though. Thai – Good stuff. Of course, I’m a habitual fence rider when it comes to global warming. I have the luxury of remembering a time when we were being warned not of global warming but the impending ice age we’d be facing in a few years. Seems the fear mongering never ends, they just change the theme now and again to keep it exciting.

I’m still of the mindset that we’re entirely too primitive to predict much, especially when the system is a complicated as planetary climate. I’ve yet to see a weather report more than a week in advance that was even remotely accurate. So the criticism goes both ways… I don’t have faith in either side if the claims made are stated with authority. Unless they authoritatively state it’s a complete guessing game for everybody.

Excellent post, though.

]]> By: Verlin Martin http://thaiphoonblog.com/2008/03/04/let-the-global-cooling-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Verlin Martin Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:48:22 +0000 http://thaiphoonblog.com/?p=7#comment-6 dugg it :) dugg it :)

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